general consensus, saying president obama was less than effervescent in the first of the debates. but, those latest... >> effervescent is kind. >> arthel: the poll numbers -- i try. the poll numbers, the governor, gosh romney came out with shining stars and does it mean, the stakes are higher for the vp debate? voters are actually looking into the debates and are tuning in and, are looking for answers. >> vp debates matter, if they -- if vp debates matter i would have been attorney general top of the united states instead of back to teaching and you played the clip, where bentsen squashed dan quayle and, we had our campaign chairman and governor clinton and our top staff and went to a little bar, across the street, and we were high, high on excitement and we waited for the numbers to come in from our pollster and when we called him, he said you want the good news or the bad news? and, i always go for bad news and he said, no, i have to tell you, bentsen 10-1 on the debate, and, bentsen, 10-1, over dan quayle and dukakis and bush and i asked the key question and, i said what is the